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[Traveler]

Thanks Ildi, I have heard that one before and I'm pretty sure it was from you lol and reading it again has reminded me of alot that I'd forgotten. That makes sense to me.

but Chris I do get what your saying about the frequency and reality thing but theres just something about it... i think it sounds too narrow/horizontal/straight/vertical (or however you wanna put it) to me for instance by saying what your saying your implying that if a time machine was to be invented it'd never work because we live in the now, so our 'past' on 420 could never be review.... the only possibilty of re seeing a past event would be on a different frequency but it could have subtle differences? (now i say it like that it makes some sense to me but i want to hear what you have to say anyway)

now to complicate things a little more with your 'channel' explaination
do you think we have totally different lives going on at the same time or just one self in many different realities?
what i mean by this is im ash and im in 420, and im also ash in 421, 422, and every other 400 but in 300-399 and 500 etc im not ash im a totally different person altogether....

[being human]

for instance by saying what your saying your implying that if a time machine was to be invented it'd never work because we live in the now, so our 'past' on 420 could never be review.... the only possibilty of re seeing a past event would be on a different frequency but it could have subtle differences? (now i say it like that it makes some sense to me but i want to hear what you have to say anyway)

IMO, we are time machines. But we function, or make sense of our travels mentally.
Like I said, this is sort of counter intuitive. It throws our brains for a loop, because we
have been brought up to believe that time comes in 3 forms. Past, present, and future.
But looking closer, much closer, you find there is only what we call now, or present.
Question: What makes you think that the past or the future even exist like you think they do?
Different connotations and meanings are involved here.
The past to me, is what I can recall in my head as having took place at some point during my progression through now.
The future to me, is what "could" be, what could happen through the ever changing now moment.
Neither one of these have a physical reality do they?
Past and future only exist in our minds.
They are helpful reference points from before and after the now that you perceive at any moment.
But before and after are just words we use to make sense of our linear view on time.
We use linear time, in this reality anyway, to help keep things together.
So we can keep it all in line and make sense of what is happening to us.
IMO, before, after, past, future, etc etc are there only to provide us with a sense
of continutity.

IMO All time exists at once.
Every possible thing that could be, happen etc etc has.
It all happened at the moment of creation.
Time is the tool, the medium we use to focus in on
individual pieces of that creation.
There are different types of time too.
Ours, in this world, is linear, kept in a line. A sequence.

On to the time machine.
Sure if someone built one they could travel all over.
To 420, to 28984 etc.
They all exist.

If you had a time machine that had a dial on it say, from reality 1 up to reality 100,
you could simply turn the dial and bam there you are.
Traveling to reality 23 wouldnt necessarily alter that reality, aside from the fact that
you have arrived. If you went around jackin with stuff then sure.
IMO the dial is infinity.
There you would have similar realities and completely different realities.
You would have realities exactly like this one with one difference, you woke up later than usual.
You could also have realities where there are two differences, you woke up late, and you got out
of bed on a different side.
You could have a reality with 713 differences.
Each one of those possible differences in reality, are realities.
You can assign them a number on the dial and visit either one.
Or say, you are presently in 420, and you build a time machine.
You dont want to visit another totally different reality but the same reality
you were in before the time machine.
Then you would set the dial for the corresponding time to focus on, we'll call it 420a, but it could
just as easily be 421, or 419.
The designations are your own.
The creator of the machine, or the consciousness of the experiencer would have to have
access to those times, frequencies, vibrations, realities or whathaveyous.
If someone came across a device that had all realties numbered etc, and could be traveled to
then it would be a little easier sure.
But we dont have conscious access, or most of us dont, to those realities.
We access them in dreams, meditation, OBE etc...but we arent really aware or in control though are we?

IMO, time, all forms of time, are mediums to experience the eternal now moment.
Physically or mentally.
We just apply labels to different reference points so we can sorta make sense of whats going on.
again, continuity.

my hands hurt

now to complicate things a little more with your 'channel' explaination
do you think we have totally different lives going on at the same time or just one self in many different realities?
what i mean by this is im ash and im in 420, and im also ash in 421, 422, and every other 400 but in 300-399 and 500 etc im not ash im a totally different person altogether....

I believe we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively.
Its all one life.
just different gradations of.
We are aspects, portions of god, all that is, the creator etc.
Its the creators life.

Are there other Chris' in other realties living totally different lives.
no
Are there other Chris', like the one I know living in other realties
experiencing the reality I do but with experiencing the possibilities
I didnt, sure.

k, now my head and my hands hurt...

you should read Seth yo..
muuuuch easier to grasp than anything I could throw at you..

[Traveler]

cheers for the explaination chris, its given me some stuff to ponder with lol

am i right in thinking then that you dont believe about karma?

[being human]

well...karma doesnt make sense to me..
I dont think that our actions have consequences like that...
that would be like playing a game with strict rules
and never knowing the rules...
Ive tried and tried, I dont understand it at all

[Old Salty]

OK! I am new to this chat but I Will put my 10p worth in, lol, I do not believe in GOD as such but I believe there is a controling energy that has a purpose, we can all speculate on what that purpose is. Time is only relative so how can we travel in time? every energy particle has its own time relatve to what is around it, then there is no such thng as time??, Just the decay (or lifetime) of mater, I believe we can interact with the energy around us in the NOW and be aware of other realities, including opposit realities, we can only know, or be aware, because of the abillities evolution gave us, we are restricted to how we evolved and what we NEEDED to know to survive, there are things we cannot percieve because "we dont need to know" I like to see that people are speculating on what could be. I have a Schitzophrenic wife and I know she lives in a diferent reality to me, but is it another dimention? or Does she just have a diferent perspective of this dimention?? There is so much to say, I am bursting!! I will just wait to see if there is feedback. I have a very vivid Knowledge of a past life, (Not a dream but a memory) since I was 5 years old

[alchemistic]

I'm really, really tired, but I wanted to say that it's interesting what you say Salty....

My mother always says this about events, life, things that happen and etc...that "We're on a need to know basis"
These are such true words!

After I've caught up on some much needed zzzzzzz's, I'll be back!

[being human]

I think that if we are on some need to know basis it is us doing it to ourselves...
I think that if we are limited to what we can know, its for our own personal reasons..
but I dont think we are limited as to what we can know or do for that matter....
the only limits we have are those we accept out of ignorance...

Salty, if your wife lives in this reality with you, Id say shes in this dimension.
You have dimensions of time, and dimensions of space.
You say there is no time, so shes not in some other time dimension.
If she was in some other space dimension, she wouldnt be here with you.
If she is schizophrenic she probably tunes into other aspects of reality, this one or others...
but she doesnt necessarily live there.
Its like she can turn her radio dial to another station for a spell, but she doesnt stay on it.
She returns to her home station, this reality.
I personally would call schizophrenia bleed throughs or something of the like.

thats my opinion...

[alchemistic]

it is us doing it to ourselves

Who else is there?

But, of course when I say that, I'm speaking of our higher selves, the all knowing, the IAM if you will, or whatever one chooses to call it And so, we are not limited, because "we" already do know. We really have all the answers, it's just dependent on what we can..ummm, handle (for lack of a better way to explain it) dependent on what the situation is, what affects it will bring about and etc...

And when I say "we" can handle, I am speaking about our lower selves...our conscious, our minds...our higher selves can handle it all, what ever "it" is

Something extreme happens and many people find themselves asking, "What the hell was "that" all about"? Or, "Why on earth did that happen?"
They may not ever find out, or the reason will be made clear to them at sometime. That could be in a day, a week, years or in the next level, life, here after (again, decide for ones self what that is)

[being human]

I guess I understood Salty's post as the universe withheld information...
he says we "know" what we know because of our "evolution."

And when I say "we" can handle, I am speaking about our lower selves...our conscious, our minds...our higher selves can handle it all, what ever "it" is

see thats just entirely limiting to me...
to think that there is some better, all knowing parent figure that decides what we can and cant do, or experience or learn, or "know."
I dont dig that we are lesser in some way than our soul, or higher self etc...
we are the soul, the higher self, in flesh...in physical reality...
thats what I believe anyway...
You and I have had this convo many a times and we dont really get anywhere..lol...
It feels like passing responsibility off to something else...
it seems like just having faith or hoping that someone else or something else is out there
and in charge of your life...
me no get...
and I doubt I will..lol..

and saying or thinking that "we (or I) can handle this," that immediately implies that you can not handle it.
If you could handle it you wouldnt have to tell yourself that you can handle it, you wouldnt think twice...

Something extreme happens and many people find themselves asking, "What the hell was "that" all about"? Or, "Why on earth did that happen?"
They may not ever find out, or the reason will be made clear to them at sometime. That could be in a day, a week, years or in the next level, life, here after (again, decide for ones self what that is)

so its not up to the higher self to select a reason for you?
the "lower" self gets to choose what means what?

[Old Salty]

What I meant to say was that our mental abillity can only percieve what evolution gave us but the.. How can I explain it??, (soul or self or awareness) can feel, or be aware of other energies in the Soup of where we are in this reality, I believe that we can be aware of more than what we percieve, we evolved from single cell creatures that had to make sense of the energies around it to survive, we are capable of the same.